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     951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
這是筆者近日在某舊生網頁看到的一篇短文, 行文雖鄙, 但其議論實值得一看: 今日, 我看到一條極攪鬼的 film, 乃是沐恩拍來送給醫護人員打打氣的一條 片. 片中一班沐恩同學對醫護人員的感謝乃是老生常談, 不足一笑. 某老師的拍攝與抄襲手法亦屬司空見慣, 一無可取. 唯大佬最愛的大 bear sir, 其過火的演出, 失常的演繹, 將一條送給醫護人員打打氣的一條正經片, 變成一條比周星星屎尿屁笑片更有過之而無不及的<如灸雍史>. 真想像不到有份唱<如灸雍史>的哥哥看到新 version 會否激到番生? 本來，此片用作自娛洽當不過，無奈此片更交予亞視新聞節目播放，讓一眾珠三角觀眾都知道沐恩中學的師生如此攪鬼，真想不到大家會對沐恩有何感覺？ 大佬只有一種感覺─真的出醜了．<如灸雍史> 可到沐恩 website 和xxx xxx觀看. Ps: 請不要笑到賴尿 註: xxxxxx 為筆者所刪. | ||
| 971015 Username: 971015 Registered: 04-2003 |
有冇製作人回應? | ||
| 981909 Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
其實我唔係好明.... | ||
| 喵喵喵喵喵喵喵喵喵.... yan~* Username: 991160 Registered: 04-2003 |
製作人一定會大�ü打擊.... | ||
| 971060 Username: 971060 Registered: 04-2003 |
人地有人地既想法... 我覺得大家唔需要俾人地既想法影響到... 人地唔知道實情同內情...先有咁既想法 我覺得只要大家知道自己做緊D乜... 就唔會覺得有咩問題ga la... 製作人同演員們我支持你地~ | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
以下係小弟ｏ既感想，行文更鄙 致上文作者： 果套片真係一無是處？ 我唔認為囉 我地同其他香港人一樣 想向醫護人員表達心意 只係方法唔同 你唔認同唔代表其他人都一樣 最少校長都支持我地咁做 恕我直言 我唔相信你可以同校長相提並論囉 所以你呢番話只會令我覺得你非常無知 同埋只係睇事情ｏ既表面 好一位愚者 再者 我地並唔係你想像中咁玩玩下 我地做得好認真 每一樣野都要準備好耐 後期製作都做左幾日 亞ｓｉｒ都幫我地手剪片 結果４ａｍ先離開學校 第二日仲要返學 換黎ｏ既只係呢幾句話以及人身攻擊？ 如果呢個時候你仲係一個中六學生 你會企出黎做下野表達下心意 還是會沈迷玩樂呢？ 如果係前者 我都好想知道你會做Ｄ咩 但係如果係後者 請你收口 套片係我地自發話要拍ｏ既 唔關學校事 不過係唔係真係令學校出醜呢？ 如果你真係覺得呢件事之後 ”沐恩舊生”ｏ既身份令你感到蒙羞 咁拜託你真係唔好話畀人知你係沐恩舊生 因為我地以有你呢種舊生為恥！ | ||
| Luk Ka Hong Username: 961055 Registered: 04-2003 |
其實我也認為我地拍得未夠好，但我覺得他連這麼"cheap"的MTV 也拍不到! 不懂製作movie 的人懂得怎樣品評嗎? | ||
| Issa Username: 971047 Registered: 04-2003 |
佢想點... 唔通輕鬆小品都唔可以.? 係咪要下下講住SARS情況幾咁嚴重ar? 要佢地休息的時候都要煩惱?? 你連比d醫護人員輕鬆下, 都唔可以..? 另外, 佢話"請不要笑到賴尿".. 你覺得支持醫護人員可笑?? 我只有一種感覺 ─ 因為你是舊生,說出此話..我們真的出醜了 | ||
| Ming Username: 971004 Registered: 04-2003 |
"這是筆者近日在某舊生網頁看到的一篇短文" 我想問係響咩網址呢? 你比唔到出黎,我好懷疑係你老作.... 而就話"在某舊生網頁看到".... Please post the link. | ||
| 彭彭等待5月20日來臨....... Username: 981151 Registered: 04-2003 |
舊生.........>_< | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
近日忘於工作, 遲了回覆, 勿罪 先回Ming, 是該文是出於不才手筆, 我一定要直認不諱. 更何況該節錄是用我的學生戶口貼上. 可惜, 這不是我所寫的. 或者大家閱讀此文後會揪心不安, 何解辛苦過後, 會有如此批評. 先不理行文之尖酸,我估 (真的是我估) 作者是批評: (1) 抄襲 (2) 界線並不分明, 即何時玩樂何時認真(不要作出太大反應, 請先閱讀下去). 而我個人, 其實也知道剪片的困難, 長時間對著電腦, 感覺並不好�ü(音:授), 也知道你們(演,攝者) 曾付出你們的努力, 盡力演出. 你們的努力, 是應該有回報的, 這是無可置疑, 此我與文者所持觀點不同之一. (五之一) | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
此外, 疫病肆虐本港, 醫護日以計夜, 專心照顧病人. 身心都�ü(音: 授)到極大的考驗, 亦同時間體現出他們專業而高尚的情操. 巿民所獻上點點的關懷, 的確是顯示出對他們的支持和鼓勵. 我校師生亦同樣有這種關顧之情, 站出來說: 我們支持醫護人員, 實是可喜, 我校之福. 此我與文者所持觀點不同之二. 與此同時, 此片亦反映出沐恩MITAC的拍,剪,編的技巧不斷有所改進, 這亦是值得我們沐恩舊/學生高興的事. 此我與文者所持觀點不同之三. 按: Mitac 是多媒體資訊科技事務組 五之二 | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
不過, 該文作者亦不是全無道理(縱使我也不太喜歡其行文用字). 第一是抄襲. 正當沐恩講學生要有創意的時候, 我們卻見到mitac 再次推出抄襲之作. 對上次是沐恩Geog Project 2000, 抄襲跳躍大搜查線的片頭. 今次, 借用同步一曲以及其mv 的拍攝風格, 的確是令很多對沐恩有冀望的舊生, 以至師生失望. 因為無論如何, 作為一間學校, 雖說它有多媒體創意製作, 但是如果在對外公開時出現抄襲之品, 更甚是不只得一件, 外人會如何看待我校之 “創意”? 這對於我校學生的創意空間之拓展有甚裨益? 五之三 | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
何況沐恩又不是沒有人材, Quality of ILC Life 的片子, 不是顯示出我校正有好的編劇人材? 在歌唱比賽中, 雖仍以去年畢業的angelpeggyla, wincy, 豪哥, skyline等”唱得之人”為我校經典, 可是其他的參賽者表演還很好, 還有我校之光—中樂團, 以及新晉的西樂團, 結他班的成員, 此外jazz club 及劇社 的表演也不容忽視,等等, 這不是說明了我校正有能歌善舞者, 編導能手? 何解 抄其(音:池)曲, 抄其原唱, 抄其mv? 三抄之嫌難令外人/舊生有更正面的回饋. 五之四 | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
另外, 在這三抄的情況下所拍攝的作品, 是正經或是玩樂派, 就變得很主觀了. 我所節錄的文章, 正正反映了這樣. 更甚是大bear sir 的演出, 令到作品由乏味, 變得三不像. 不是純正經, 不是純玩樂. 以此片子作對醫護之敬意, 是否有些不太得當? 界線如此模糊, 難令外人/舊生不引以為 “笑”. 因此縱然盡心努力還有這此回應. 其實, 編監者實應負上很大的責任. 三抄作品外流, 會否是另一場法律程序之始, 亦教在上者汗顏. 或者, 筆者對於有關製作過程真的不太了解. 但是從一個第三者的角度去看, 片子雖非一無是處, 但亦正如楊修之死一文中的雞肋---食之無肉, 棄之可惜. 敬意之情未能盡現實是遺憾. 或者, 同學們應該可以再在更客觀的討論. 去學如何評論, 如何討論, 或者是那篇節錄唯一的正面影響吧. 五之五．完 | ||
| Fender Username: 981036 Registered: 04-2003 |
有見地o既看法 我相當同意951200 我地應該從客觀o既態度黎睇主觀o既批評 其實無論係那舊生同製作人都好，都應該反思一下 | ||
| Ng Tsz Chun Username: minibear Registered: 05-2003 |
何為創意？我想是抽象的。 日光之下無新事~~ 真的有獨一無二史無前例的創意嗎？ 我只欣賞同學的熱誠，並無興趣批評誰人三抄，那人亳無創意等。 老實說我亦不覺得群星的"We shall Overcome"有什麼偉大創意，我心想製作人亦不在乎製作質素，只看重那分心意。 再者，兩日要完成製作也並非易事。 各位同學有否聽過黑色幽默？ 同學對版權法有多少認識？ 拍攝風格又是什麼東西？ 讓我們學習多些欣賞別人罷！ 我是０歲的吳子瑧。 | ||
| 彭彭等待5月20日來臨....... Username: 981151 Registered: 04-2003 |
請支持沐恩電影拍攝工作 ^_^ | ||
| 981909 Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
其實我覺得段野拍得好差.. 我睇左一半都冇就唔想再睇.... 我相信沐恩咁多位同學同老師都好有心... 但係咁樣照播首歌...搵人扮唱... 我真係覺得好冇意思... 倒不如真係自己唱好過la... 唱得差又冇人會怪你... 如果你唔唱..都唔好搵人扮丫.. 播下沐恩點防炎做下show都好呀ma... 扮唱個到可以話係原全唔尊重原唱... 而大bear sir個part我都覺得唔係咁好... 成首歌都係好正經...支持的歌.. 但係大bear從何表達到支持呢?? | ||
| Inamoto5 Username: admin Registered: 04-2003 |
Please use formal language (English or Chinese) in this disscussion forum. Please do not use ICQ language. Remind you that this is an official disscussion forum of ILC. Be punctual! | ||
| Ng Wai Keung, Big Bear Sir Username: nwk Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear all, There is a saying that it is eay to make critics than few words of praise and appreciation. I do listen to comments and suggestion. However, I am going to please everyone. Pls try to appreciate the goodwill and efforts made by the teachers and students involved. Making comment is eay but discouraging others is more easier. Dear, try to appreciate and suggest with positive attitude as with encouragement. It is pointless to waste on unnecessary discussion on the issue without absolute answer. PLease use your way to show your encouragement to those who are in need for support. | ||
| 971064 Username: 971064 Registered: 04-2003 |
我其實唔知大家睇完段片之後有咩感�ü。但我覺得世界上其實無真正的客觀，任何觀點皆由個人出發，由「我覺得......」開始，觀點已經變得個人。你唔能夠話「我覺得大家都係咁覺得.....」。〝大家〞的定義係咩野?好難講，〝客觀〞只可以話係局外人的〝主觀〞。 當然，我覺得任何人的意見皆值得尊重，不論你出於好意或惡意。但絕不能持著別人這份〝尊重〞，便有持無恐，認為「我講咩都得，我只係表達個人意見。」你當然有權表達自己意見，但有無考慮其後果呢? 其實事件起源自沐恩一位舊生對此段片的個人意見。別人的意見我們當然應該尊重。但其表達方式值得尊重與否我則非常質疑。 請學習如何尊重別人及尊重自己。 | ||
| 太行印象 Username: 971046 Registered: 04-2003 |
I would like to appreciate and give thanks to our schoolmates for producing such a meaningful and supportive video for the fighters in the frontier of the SARS. Although not everyone think that the video is an excellent production, but they really devote themselves to this. I know that this will be depressing and discouraging to the production team for recieving a negative feedback of the video. However, we have to learn how to accept something which we do not like and opinions that encoutering us. Any negative feedbacks will only bethe personal opinions of the writer himself/herself, right? 撫心自問，大家對得住自己，對得住沐恩，咁就已經夠了! | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Mr. Tam, Thanks for your sharing. I would like to express more feelings about the reply to the MTV. After reading your comment on the MTV, I felt a bit better as I knew that you also understand the difficulties on producing a movie. No matter it is good or not, effort must be paid by all of the students involved. Also, it is really thankful to hear that our intentions and the goal have been seen and achieved --- to express our respect and support to those medical workers on the frontline. That is what we want to show to our schoolmates now as well as the former. However, I would like to focus on and explain some points that you have mentioned in your reply. 1 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Firstly, you claimed that the MTV show no creativity and is just a product of copying. In fact, that's the truth, but for some points only. The song is sang by the original singers and the style of the MTV is quite similar to the real one. Are we just copy all the things without using our mind to do anything more? Of course not. We have designed another mode for the MTV before watching the real one. During the post production time, we found that we have got too much shots and some cannot be involved into the MTV. As we were confused with it, we have watched the original MTV and found that it's way of expression is good for showing more shots. So we decided to imitate the mode of perfoming, but not copying the style. We can produce it with brand new way of expression, but we wanna show more to all of you. That's why we selected that manner to the MTV. 2 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
In my opinion, creativity is not only showed on performing style, deciding what we should do also needs creativity. What would you do if you were us? You would choose doing writing something and posting on board, or sharing your own feeling with schoolmates during morning devotion? Either one of them is a way of expressing your mind, but is it creative enough? Maybe you would say 'Of course! It is more meaningful and formal. It is more suitable for showing our respect!'. Then, in what circumstance you could define our's way is not suitable? Due to the performance of Big Bear? Or because we did something that no one tried before? I think everyone thinking like this is really sujective. Variety is the spice of life, if we just try expressing our mind traditinally, new ways would not be discovered. 3 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Secondly, you said that the film "Quality of ILC Life" is a good evidence to show that our school has talented playwriters. I would like to announce that the playwriter of that film is the teacher who has been described like this in the original article --- 某老師的拍攝與抄襲手法亦屬司空見慣. Is the teacher only know copying ideas from others? From your reply, it seems that he is also a good playwriter. 4 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Actions speak louder than words. No matter in what way to express, someone tries his best is appreciable. If he keep saying he has got many ideas but never try by himself, he is just a boaster. You said that "在歌唱比賽中, 雖仍以去年畢業的angelpeggyla, wincy, 豪哥, skyline等”唱得之人”為我校經典", are they really worth to be "Classical"? I do agree that they have musical flair, but I don't think they have the skills and ideas to do so. Everyone has own virtue on various domain. I think you cannot define someone who sings good to be 'classical'. It is absolutely rediculous and subjective. I know they are your former classmates, but please try not to over-value your generation or despise the youngers. 5 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Moreover, people who keep criticizing the others but not do anything meaningful or give suggestions is boaster, too. Easier said than done. The best way to shut someone's mouth is to do something better than him. If you want to define it is bad, please let us know how good you are. To Mr. Leung, it would be nice to show us your talent on producing a film. Hope you can promote to F.6 and produce more productions with brand new ILC's style. 6 of 7 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Producing this MTV is just the way to show our feelings. We are not begging for praise or appreciation. Of course you have your points of view, but we also have ours. We'd better respect each other. If they are opposite, it is important to declear our mind but not try affecting or changing others' perspective. According to Big Bear, "It is pointless to waste on unnecessary discussion on the issue without absolute answer." So we'd better stop arguing it is suitable or not. Hope you will think this reply is friendly and feel free to give reply. Your's sincerely, Bati Bond 7 of 7 | ||
| 961019 Username: 961019 Registered: 04-2003 |
對於該文作者言論,實在不太同意."片中一班沐恩同學對醫護人員的感謝乃是老生常談,不足一笑…" 這話不但完全忽略同學對醫護人員一番心意,而且漠視醫護人員為拯救病人的努力!!!該文作者只看到該短片不足之處且加以全盤否定,但事實上它亦有可取地方.就我個人所見,本片之主要目的是向醫護人員致敬,我相信用"同步過冬"作此mv藍本是希望借用當中歌�ü（音：遲）去激勵醫護人員, 總算能向他們表達一點心意...而大bear sir的演出可能是想製造些輕鬆氣氛... 我是十分欣賞各同學.老師為拍攝這些短片所付出的心血及時間,這絕不是容易的事 !!!但世上沒有十全十�ü(音：尾）的事,同學的意見只是想以後的短片時有所改善,正所謂"有批評才有進步",而這並不是"unnecessary discussion"(當然意見是要中肯.言之有物).希望吸取這次經驗後,將來同學們能拍攝更好的短片!!! ^_^ | ||
| 彭彭等待5月20日來臨....... Username: 981151 Registered: 04-2003 |
say very good ar | ||
| lisiratILC Username: ckkui Registered: 04-2003 |
just test pls ignore it | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
re: bati bond, 筆者洋文拙劣, 故仍以平庸的中文回應.(工作繁忙, 只略找一二重點加以回應, 幸勿見怪) (1) 我是對事而不對人. 筆者不否認某mitac老師的創意及資科技術之高超. 我只是對這片子. (注意: 司空見慣, 亦是節錄文者之論, 非出自我筆) (2) 經典與否乃主觀之判斷, 筆者只以過去數年作為歌唱比賽觀眾的經驗, 下一判斷。這只是我個人所認為之感想, 他人同意與否, 並不是我所考慮之列. 至於有否高估我屆之嫌, 則請諸君作一判斷. | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
續回: 大家(部份人)可能十分不滿, 本人, 節錄文之作者, 以至其他對此片子有意見的人. 但是, 我相信大部份持反方意見者, 都是希望沐恩日後能更有成就, 而不是作一無理之謾罵. (我相信節錄文之作者, 某程度上, 亦是希望�ü(旨)出沐恩現時有所缺失的地方) 這亦是我一開首所說: 行文雖鄙, 但其議論實值得一看--的原因. 我十分十分希望大家去正視這些問題: 包括某些團體仍以玩樂作為其主線, 缺乏一高中生應有的正大光明之理想, 高尚之情操(勿以此為笑). 這是在上者在下者應當檢討. 免得沐恩繼續墮落下去. 這段片子, 只是沐恩眾多問題的冰山一角. 如在上者視而不見, 在下者繼續玩樂, 我校還有甚麼希望? 我們作為中七(舊生), 可做的事已經不多. 中三四五六的同學們, 這是你們的責任去改正這種不良的風氣(當然, 玩槳是需要. 但何時玩, 何時須得體, 是需要有一條分明的界線), 或者, 我們的討論應該再推上一層, 論一論如何令沐恩官方/各大團體所舉辦的活動更有意義, 對社會, 對同學更有承擔, 豐富咱們的生命, 為自己為他人為沐恩為社會, 開創更光明之前路. (這亦是為何我節錄該文之原因, 亦是我的目的.) | ||
| 唔駛做魚la^^"~Michael Username: 981087 Registered: 04-2003 |
篇原文where找的? 我想cc原文是否更粗鄙....... | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
按: 槳 = 樂, 手誤 據商務新�ü (辭)典, "得體" 謂言語行動恰合分寸. 另據實用文精進練習, "得體" 恰當, 但這種恰當主要不是�ü(旨)局部或個別的�ü(辭)語如何運用, 而是�ü(旨)整體語言的運用要適合客觀情況...注意主觀身份與客觀對象的相互協調統一. | ||
| Ｈｉｎｇ∼ Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
Moreover, people who keep criticizing the others but not do anything meaningful or give suggestions is boaster, too. Easier said than done. The best way to shut someone's mouth is to do something better than him. If you want to define it is bad, please let us know how good you are. 依你咁講法..�ü乎冇人能表達自己的意見... 咁係咪要一個人識晒d野先有資格講野先??? 你拍一套野出黎..個觀眾竟然冇得話唔好????? 有冇道理先.. 我明白你地付出左好多努力去拍.. 但係拍的岩唔岩同付出幾多係冇關係ga... 我要表達的係對依套movie的手法的不認同... 而唔係我拍一套出黎同人地比.. 而且我都冇能力and興趣咁做... | ||
| Ｈｉｎｇ∼ Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
我想講的都說完了.. 你們認為什麼樣我冇法改變... 我只是表達我自己的感�ü... To Mr Wrong(希望冇錯): 希望你能想下點解會有人咁樣諗法... 依個想法係我從一開始睇到段movie的時候已經有... 希望你細心d抱著開放的態度去接�ü別人的意見,批評.. 我同你無仇無怨...冇需要否定你的作品... | ||
| Ka Hong Username: 961055 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hing,好多謝你的意見~ 每個人亦有自己的想諗法，我相信你也是如此~ 但希望批評是在事身上，不是在人身上~ ^^ thx~ | ||
| Ka Hong Username: 961055 Registered: 04-2003 |
不好意思 上文的"想諗法" 應是"想法" | ||
| Issa Username: 971047 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Ｈｉｎｇ∼ i think you already misunderstand the purpose of our works. First, we are not going to earn any money or to gain any reputation by producing this movie. What we are doing is expressing our support to those medical workers or doctor on the frontline. i think you still have a lot of room for improving your speech in some public area. Your's Sincerely, Issa | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
筆者洋文拙劣, 仍以中文回之. 或者大家站遠一點. 可以看闊一點. 我們既要重視過程, 同時間, 因應不同的目標去對結果作出評價及檢討. hing 以及其他持反方意見並不是否定是項製作的目的--表達製作人對醫護人員關懷的心意. 但是大家都希望�ü(旨)出一點, 就是片子能否反映這個目的? 或者, 製作人可以再走遠一點, 以一個普通的同學/學生或老師的身份去重新把片子看一回. 再想想究竟發生了甚麼事. 或者得著會更大. 人好多時候都會重視結果多於過程, 在這件事上, 就深深的反映了這個特質. 的確, 有時候我們只需要重視過程, 但是, 面對一些大是大非的事情及須負起一點所謂"責任"時, 結果亦須重視. 尤其是這個製作是以沐恩中學名義出街, 我們更應關注其結果及影響. 而批評片子的同時, 或者大家都可想想如何繼續向出線醫護表達我們的敬意及支持, 想想如何改善片子之法. 其中有一位師姐認為寫心意�ü(卡)是一個傳統而有效的方法, 你們又有何看法? PS, To Issa I think you also have room for improvement in your written English. | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Mr. Tam, I think Issa is willing to express his feeling about Hing and remind him learn what should be said or posted in a public discussion board with a friendly attitude. In fact, I also wonder about the spelling of the surname Wong. Will a Form 5 student spell it wrongly to Wrong? I really wonder with it. But I still trust in him that he just made a typing error because he is a student of ILC. Also, for your message to Issa, I think you are not so friendly as well. Please do not try making any personal attack on others. It is not the time for judging others English standard. Please respect the others. Your's sincerely, Bati Bond | ||
| 唔駛做魚la^^"~Michael Username: 981087 Registered: 04-2003 |
May I ask a simple question here? Which one is right,"Yours sincerely" or "Your's sincerely" ? And why? | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Mr Leung, I am writing in response to the reply you have posted recently, and I am going to discuss some points you have mentioned with you. To be frank, I have my mind opened with any comments received, and I just try my best to declear what are in our minds. For your question, "咁係咪要一個人識晒d野先有資格講野先???" My answer is : Of course not. Please think about the following questions. Have you ever seen that 林尚義 discusses about basketball or tennis with his partners? Or have you heard about Miss Ng and Miss Hung would be the judge of Art competition and singing contest respectively? Surely not! Why? It's because they are not good in those area. So, they would not involve themselves into those places. 1 of 6 | ||
| Ｈｉｎｇ∼ Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
Mr Wong: 我為打錯你的姓氏向你道歉. | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Genii will only show their talents in their best parts but will not try commenting the others which they are not good in. It is because they understand that their opinions are not suitable and professional enough for commenting the other issues. In other words, people can say anything which they are good in it, or those opinion would easily come to subjective speech or even personal attacks, and finaaly become the start of quarrels. 2 of 6 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
And for the question, "你拍一套野出黎..個觀眾竟然冇得話唔好?????" Please, again, think about it. Will you comment on the games or sports that you haven't tried before? I think you will only say that you want to play but not judging it is good or not, right? However, if you are playing basketball or football, a teenager comes to the pitch side and says that your performance is extremely bad while he has not tried or even does not know how to play the game. What will you feel? Angered? deprecated? Or you will think that he is just saying something unmeaningful? 3 of 6 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
For me, I will choose the first one because I think he will not understand the difficulties on playing the sport. Also, I think that he does not have the right for judging who is good or who is bad since he does not know the definition of it. He can only get the judging ability and the scale by participating in it. Unless being like that, everything he says is nonsense. For the second and the third one, choosing this one means that you do not want to care about those people who are not qualified to say those things since he hasn't tried it. 4 of 6 | ||
| Ｈｉｎｇ∼ Username: 981909 Registered: 04-2003 |
Mr Wong: 既然如此,我對拍movie不熟悉,因此我不會再reply了.因為我連身為一個觀眾的資格也冇 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Maybe I would say that you can say anything you want, but please, again and again, let us know you are expreienced in it, or you are just blabbering. For the above question, choosing either of them is correct, because they are the minds of us. Comments of a football match from various people are differnet, but those opinions from other footballers or the people who have tried joining a match are the most reliable at all. 5 of 6 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Again, Action Speaks Louder Than Words. It is not correct to define my point of view as the one you have mentioned. It is just your opinion on my speech. Please be careful with it. I don't want the readers be confused. I also would like to remind you that what we have done is what we were thinking. It is just similar to yours. Please try tasting our feeling. Thank you. Yours sincerely, Bati Bond | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Mr. Leung, It's no need for you say sorry to me because I just think that it is a typing error. Just feel free with it. ^_^ Bati Bond | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear all, Again, again and again I would like to declear our standpoint --- We made it with a serious attitude. I don't wanna spend my time on typing replies anymore because I know that there will not be an end. Also, this topic is really depressed to many schoolmates, included Hing, Mr. Tam, Issa, those participated in the MTV especially Mr. Big Bear and me, since the various criteia held by us. We just type to express our points of view continuously and criticize the others. It is really an unhappy feeling to me. I don't wanna comment on the others since I don't have the quality to do so. However, I also wanna protect my classmates who were involved in it because we are really earnest. 1 of 2 | ||
| Bati Bond Username: 971067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Maybe it should come to an end. Typing a reply for arguing this kind of problem is a time-consuming process. i think we'd better spend the time on doing revision of meeting friends. It will be much worthful. Just let the discontents be paled as time goes by. I would like to say sorry to those who felt depressed with my speech before. Maybe you will think I do not have the ability to stop the discussion, but I don't want to involve myself into it anymore. Thanks for your attention. Bati Bond 2 of 2 | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
人很多時都有很多盲點, 正如issa 看到hing 的英文錯處, 而看不到自己也有同樣的失誤. (但願我不會, 雖然也常常發生.) 我若令issa 同學心感不安, 或覺得�ü(授)到人身攻擊, 請原諒我. bati bond 同學, 就事言事. 就算hing 同學未曾感�ü(授)經歷過, 這也不成為他沒有資格去批評這片子, 只要他有批判性思維去判斷正確與否. hing 同學以中五的教育程度, 能握要�ü(旨)出某些留言之謬誤, 雖或缺少了一點文筆上的華采, 亦屬為難得. 我想他是個可造之才. 請勿放棄. | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
此外, "Comments of a football match from various people are differnet, but those opinions from other footballers or the people who have tried joining a match are the most reliable at all" 這段也可算是你揚揚六百字的歸宗要旨. 我只想�ü(旨)出我們所重視的應該是批評是否恰當. 錯則改之, 無則放之. 雖知過則勿憚改. 如果那批評者是個專家, 我們當然要重視; 但如果那人只是一個旁觀者, 他的意見也不容忽視. 這是為何醫管局, 律師公會等會有非業界人仕的參與. 是否professional enough (筆者譯: 有足夠的專業資格) 去批評事件, 不是在批評者的身上, 而是在批評的身上. 我重申, 我希望大家有前瞻, 對過去的東西能加以理性的判斷, 從而加以改善. | ||
| 名字只是一個符號 Username: 20021151 Registered: 04-2003 |
點解唔試下真人唱呢?我覺得甘樣會好0的喎!唔使好�ü扮晒野甘...... | ||
| Fallen Angel Username: 981120 Registered: 04-2003 |
其實我真係好想知道951200所講既係出於邊度? 講真, 如果你係沐恩既一份子, 我想問下你見到人地咁寫有咩野感覺? 老師同埋同學佢地為左今次既拍攝, 佢地都花左唔少心機, 佢地今次拍攝既性質係為醫護人員打氣, 難道以一個輕鬆手法去舒緩緊張既氣氛有錯麼? 你話如果佢地今次既拍攝用作商業用途既, 你喜歡加以"善意"批評既, 我諗任何人都會接納~ 但係佢地今次係以義務性質代表沐恩的, 我諗你地都知道咩野叫"義務", right? 你地(無份幫忙的)有勇氣成為一份子麼? 說真的, 我並無幫到今次既拍攝, 但我知道如果要是我去做的話, 我一定無佢地做得咁好, 所謂既"理性批評者", 你敢保證你會做得更好麼? 最後想講既係: 對過去的東西能加以理性的判斷係正確, 但係我想你地應該先知道什麼叫做"理性的判斷", 並且知道自己其實現在處於一個什麼位置作判斷~ | ||
| 名字只是一個符號 Username: 20021151 Registered: 04-2003 |
......(無聲出)~sor 喎~ | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
回fallen angel 我想問下你見到人地咁寫有咩野感覺? 揪心. 但文章並非全無道理. (我注意的是其議論中心, 而不是行文用�ü. 再者, 節文) 老師同埋同學....花左唔少心機,...性質係為醫護人員打氣, ==> 我從沒否定, 反之讚許. 難道以一個輕鬆手法去舒緩緊張既氣氛有錯麼? ....以義務性質代表沐恩的,你地(無份幫忙的)有勇氣成為一份子麼? ....說真的, 我並無幫到今次既拍攝, .... 我一定無佢地做得咁好, ....所謂既"理性批評者", 你敢保證你會做得更好麼? ==> (1) 正正係因為以沐恩的名義出品, 作為一位舊生, 作為一位高中生, 作為一位沐恩的學生, 若覺其有不當之處, 就應當�ü出. 這與片子製作人是義務或是�ü薪無關, 亦與我或其他批評者有否此能力無關. 我們要�ü出的是片子過了火, 並不適合作為對醫護致敬之片子. (同時想亦�ü出, 沐恩近年來大型課外活動組織俱以玩樂為主, 我們應當作出反思) | ||
| 951200 Username: 951200 Registered: 04-2003 |
上段: 第一個?uuml; (旨) 第二個是 (授) 第三個是 (旨) (2) 輕鬆手法去舒緩緊張既氣氛---> 我想反問, 片子的目的是向醫護致敬, 或是自娛? 所謂輕鬆手法也有一條界線, 亦即是所謂合宜.(不想再重覆又重覆, 請看上文) ...但係我想你地應該先知道什麼叫做"理性的判斷", 並且知道自己其實現在處於一個什麼位置作判斷~ --> 若你認為我評論有欠理性, 請�ü(旨)出. 我很樂意接�ü(授)你的批評. 其實今次回應也是重覆早前的留言. 若想深入了解我為何開此討論, 可再往上面看看我之前的留言. 謝. | ||
| 唔駛做魚la^^"~Michael Username: 981087 Registered: 04-2003 |
觀察了多日討論, 請讓小弟發表一些拙見..... 我不敢作出對這套片子的評價, 因為下�ü時lag下lag下, 最終hang機收場 反之我想對一部份同學所持之論點----沒有製作經驗的人不能作出批評, 以至在他們的論點中也顯出他們有一個心態-----批評者就是不愛沐恩... 這些論點看來很合理, 但加以引申, 就會發覺當中問題所在. 特首在香港的"功績"有目共睹, 我們是否因為我們沒有做特首而不能批評他,甚至不可叫他下台...難道64時這班靜座抗議國家政策的學生是不愛國, 該�ü鎮壓的麼?請大家細想一下... 另方面, 我也想回應fallen angel一些言論 "所謂既"理性批評者", 你敢保證你會做得更好麼?" 未必, 但沒有理性的批評就會造成一面倒"愛校狂熱"支持的聲音, 俗稱擦鞋也, 這時候校方和有關同學又怎能對症下藥, 作出改進, 最後我要補充一點, 批評一定要理性, 否則就會變成謾罵了 |